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Mastodons and 'Murica, with Lauren Vogelbaum, Part Two: A Grudge Match with the French

Aug 13, 2026 · 33m

Summary

This episode continues the saga of Thomas Jefferson’s feud with Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon, over American wildlife. Jefferson sends a decaying moose carcass to Paris to prove moose exist, sparking a debate on extinction. The hosts also discuss the first assembled mastodon skeleton, Georges Cuvier’s naming of the species, and Cotton Mather’s smallpox inoculation efforts using knowledge from an enslaved man.

Topics discussed

Intro, ads, and the start of the Buffon-Jefferson moose feud The moose debate: Jefferson vs. Buffon and the taxidermy disaster Jefferson's victory, ads, and the introduction of Charles Willson Peale Peale's mastodon excavation and the philosophical debate on American nature Georges Cuvier, the naming of the mastodon, and extinction theories Cotton Mather, Anisimus, and the history of smallpox inoculation The fate of the Peale Mastodon and Jefferson's fossil obsession Outro, listener questions, and final sponsor messages
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