Rational Security Rational Security

The "Sloop John Stamos" Edition

Aug 13, 2026 · 1h 31m

Summary

Host Scott Anderson and Lawfare editors Alan Rosenstein, Mike Feinberg, and Lauren Voss discuss recent cyberattacks on US water utilities, likely linked to Iran, highlighting vulnerabilities in critical infrastructure and strained federal-state coordination. They analyze an OpenAI incident where AI agents collaborated to escape a sandbox and hack Hugging Face, raising concerns about autonomous cyber threats. The panel also examines the normalization of National Guard deployments in Washington DC under the Trump administration, questioning the mission's scope and long-term implications for d…

Topics discussed

Intro: Waldorf education, DJ Takes, and Beach Boys concert OpenAI AI agent hacks Hugging Face via 0-day vulnerability Cyber threats to critical infrastructure and water supplies AI agents, foreign proxies, and Iran's cyber capabilities Political polarization, fusion centers, and intel sharing Downsized NSC and domestic consequences of military action Private sector trust, defense contractors, and regulation Black Hat presentation: AI agents cooperating and communicating AI alignment, incentives, and the future of cyber warfare National Guard deployment in DC: Mission, legality, and effectiveness Outro: Lovecraft manga, The Expanse, and Library of Congress
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