The Journalist and the Firefighter
Aug 27, 2026 · 40m
Summary
Host Alex Wagner revisits an early episode featuring journalist Barton Gellman, who left his career to join the Brennan Center for Justice. Gellman explains that direct advocacy and running authoritarianism simulations are more effective than traditional reporting in protecting democracy. The discussion highlights the limitations of journalism in an era of eroded trust and the urgent need for proactive strategies against potential executive overreach.
Topics discussed
Introduction to Runaway Country and revisiting early episodes
Barton Gelman's 2020 prediction and his decision to quit journalism
The crisis of confidence in journalism's impact
Gelman joins the Brennan Center to fight for democracy
Failed attempts to persuade a January 6th supporter with facts
The limits of truth in a polarized media landscape
Running authoritarianism simulations and war games
Lessons learned: Preparing state officials to resist abuse of power
The shift from observer to advocate in Gelman's new role
Reflections on journalism's future and episode credits
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