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The Countess at Nuremberg

Sep 21, 2026 · 32m

Summary

In this episode, hosts Robert Hardman and Professor Kate Williams discuss the 80th anniversary of the Nuremberg trials with guest author Natalie Livingstone. They explore the overlooked roles of women, including lawyer Harriet Zetterberg, Countess Ingeborg Kallnocki, and resistance fighter Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier, who were pivotal to the proceedings. The conversation highlights how these women were historically marginalized despite their critical contributions to establishing international law and documenting the Holocaust.

Topics discussed

Intro and ZEN Nicotine Pouches Ad Welcome and Guest Introduction The 80th Anniversary and the Missing Women Harriet Zetterberg: The Footnote Prosecutor Countess Kallnocki: Background and Royal Ties Fleeing the Nazis and the Witness House Offer Hosting Nazi High Command at the Witness House Concentration Camp Survivors and the Dinner Scene Kallnocki's Post-War Life and Identity Crisis ZEN Nicotine Pouches Ad Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier's Testimony Cross-Examination and the Story of Annette Legacy, Personal Connection, and Book Recommendations Sign-off ZEN Nicotine Pouches Ad Russell Brand Trial Teaser
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