Jill Lepore on why the artificial state is ‘doomed’
Summary
Jonathan Friedland interviews historian Jill Lepore about her new book, *The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State*. They explore the history of technocracy, linking Elon Musk’s grandfather to early 20th-century movements that favored engineers over democracy. The discussion covers the current backlash against AI data centers and the failure of tech promises to enhance democratic participation. Lepore argues that the "artificial state" is ultimately doomed due to resource limits and growing public frustration with unregulated corporate power.
Topics discussed
Introduction: The artificial state and midterm elections
Defining the artificial state and government by machine
Historical roots: The rise of the artificial over the natural
The 1930s Technocracy movement and its ideals
Joshua Haldeman: Elon Musk's technocrat grandfather
Modern technocrats and the illusion of future vision
Failed promises of tech to democratize society
Public backlash against data centers and secrecy
Regulatory failure and the libertarian tech ethos
Why the artificial state is doomed to fall
Democratic primary calendar changes and conclusion
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