Rick Saafürsen interviews former Bundeswehr officer David Martail about his book "Deutschland ist es wert," which defends German patriotism and the value of national service. They discuss the debate over reintroducing conscription, contrasting Martail’s pro-defense stance with Ole Niemann’s anti-military views. Martail shares insights from visiting a Ukrainian POW and engaging with youth to counter social media’s negative portrayal of the military. The conversation highlights the importance of appreciating German freedom and fostering intergenerational dialogue on security.