The hosts discuss Andy Burnham’s Labour conference speech, analyzing his pivot toward radical policies like a national care service and EU re-engagement while debating the political risks of dismantling the pension triple lock. They then interview Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor, who promote their new book, End Times Fascism. The conversation explores how extreme wealth concentration and a "rolling shocks" economy fuel a new fascist coalition that views global collapse as an opportunity for escape, arguing that exposing this worldview is key to resisting it.
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