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33. Travis Tygart Is Coming for Cheaters — Just Ask Lance Armstrong

Aug 1, 2026 · 45m

Summary

Steve Levitt interviews Travis Tigard, CEO of USADA, about the agency’s role in catching cheaters, focusing heavily on the Lance Armstrong doping scandal. They discuss how corporate interests and conflicts of interest allowed Armstrong’s fraud to persist until USADA’s independent investigation exposed it. The conversation also covers advancements in detection technology, the ethics of performance-enhancing drugs, and USADA’s upcoming mandate to regulate doping in thoroughbred horse racing.

Topics discussed

Introduction: USADA CEO Travis Tigard and the Lance Armstrong case The moral code of athletes and the deterrent effect of getting caught The rise of EPO in cycling and the initial investigation into Armstrong Cycling's cover-up, corporate complicity, and the 'too big to fail' myth Dismantling the doping system, whistleblower challenges, and personal attacks Ad breaks and listener questions on behavioral economics Philosophical debates on doping, natural talent, and the arms race Detection technology: Sample retesting and the Athlete Biological Passport The role of whistleblowers and the psychology of deterrence USADA's new role in regulating thoroughbred horse racing Personal integrity, data detection in horse racing, and conclusion
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