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Money, Hubris and Jeffrey Epstein: The Fall of Leon Black, w/ William Cohan

Aug 31, 2026 · 56m

Summary

Kara Swisher interviews Puck journalist Bill Cohen about his book *Money to Burn*, which examines Apollo Global Management’s evolution and founder Leon Black’s controversial ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Cohen details Black’s rise through distressed debt, the firm’s shift to private credit, and the scrutiny surrounding Black’s $158 million payments to Epstein. The discussion also covers current Wall Street risks, including an AI investment bubble and Meta’s recent settlement over teen social media addiction.

Topics discussed

Intro: Wall Street's current boom and Bill Cohen's new book Sponsor: Odu business management software Leon Black's background and Apollo's unique structure Black's father's suicide and entry into finance Michael Milken, Drexel, and the junk bond era The rise of private credit and the 'New Wall Street' Sponsor: Odu business management software Leon Black's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein Political fallout and congressional investigations Book insights and Black's current status AI bubble fears and SpaceX IPO risks Meta's $17B social media addiction settlement Trade war with Canada and bond market warnings Athene insurance and private credit risks Ken Griffin and closing thoughts
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