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Ben Wikler Has a Plan to Save Democracy

Jul 23, 2026 · 53m

Summary

Kara Swisher interviews Ben Wickler, former Wisconsin Democratic Party chair, about his book on defeating authoritarianism through grassroots organizing. Wickler argues that Democrats must build a permanent, local campaign infrastructure to win critical state-level races in 2026, which will protect election integrity for 2028. He emphasizes the need to remove the Senate filibuster and counter Elon Musk’s influence by fostering genuine voter trust rather than relying solely on money.

Topics discussed

Introduction: Ben Cohen and the threat of plutocracy Historical context: Wealth accumulation and democracy Case study: The Wisconsin Supreme Court race and Elon Musk The permanent campaign: Local races and state power Sponsors: NetSuite, Grooms, and Odoo Democratic strategy: Internal divisions and grassroots organizing Systemic reform: The filibuster and legislative gridlock DNC finances and the role of small-dollar donors Sponsors: Bowlin Branch and Framer Building infrastructure: Lessons from Wisconsin Democrats Major reforms: Popular vote, term limits, and gerrymandering Election security: Preparing for 2028 and protecting democracy Conclusion and closing remarks
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