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Michael Pollan — The Mystery of Consciousness

May 14, 2026 · 1h 14m

Summary

Krista Tippett interviews Michael Pollan about his book *A World Appears*, exploring the nature of consciousness through plant sentience, psychedelic experiences, and embodied cognition. Pollan challenges Cartesian dualism, arguing that consciousness is rooted in the body and may extend beyond the brain. The conversation highlights the mystery of subjective experience and the limits of scientific objectivity.

Topics discussed

Introduction and setting the scene for the interview Michael Pollan's early life and connection to plants Plant sentience and the evolution of desire Defining consciousness and the hard problem of science Embodied cognition and the gut-brain axis Psychedelics and the defamiliarization of consciousness Theories of consciousness: Idealism, Panpsychism, and Emergence The self, ego, and the desire to escape consciousness Consciousness, conscience, and the impact of modern distractions AI, consciousness, and the Copernican moment for humanity Aging, wisdom, and concluding thoughts on inquiry
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