Bunkers Won't Save the Billionaires
Summary
Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor discuss their new book, End Times Fascism, arguing that the current political coalition is a nihilistic response to planetary crises rather than a vision for the future. They analyze the fusion of religious end-times beliefs, tech elite accelerationism, and ethno-nationalist "bunker" mentalities, noting the fragility of this alliance. The conversation explores how this movement exploits survival instincts to justify supremacy, contrasting it with a politics of interdependence and mutual aid. Klein emphasizes that while protecting one's family is a natural instin…
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Introduction to End Times Fascism and the bunker mentality
Defining fascism vs. authoritarianism and the mass base
The fragile coalition of Trump, tech, and nationalists
Messianic movements and tech end-times narratives
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Ethno-nationalism and the resource-driven bunker state
Climate crisis, armed lifeboat politics, and resistance
The UN, global institutions, and the need for cooperation
Countering fear with mutual aid and local organizing
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Addressing doomerism and the role of social media
AI regulation, Silicon Valley, and political opposition
Building hope through local action and staying on Earth
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