Why the ‘Future of Late-Night’ Is Ignoring Trump
Aug 1, 2026 · 35m
Summary
Kevin Fallon interviews Julian Shapiro Barnum about his new YouTube late-night show, Outside Tonight, filmed entirely outdoors in NYC. They discuss the show’s far-left, youth-focused comedy, Barnum’s viral series Recess Therapy and Celebrity Substitute, and his new book on growing up. The conversation also touches on Barnum’s personal vulnerabilities and the evolving landscape of digital media.
Topics discussed
Introduction of Julian Shapiro Barnum and his new show
Filming Outside Tonight entirely outdoors in NYC
Julian's personal intro and the show's youthful tone
Redefining late night for a younger, online audience
The state of traditional late night and creator independence
Navigating political topics and avoiding Trump discourse
Julian's personal rebrand and vulnerability on the show
Celebrity Substitute and interviewing Lea Michele
The profound impact of Recess Therapy and his new book
Reflections on aging, growing up, and adulthood
Celebrity yearbook superlatives and closing remarks
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