Maarten and Dorothee interview Lieven Scheide, who is recovering from the Nerdland Festival. The main topic is a Wired report on internet scammers frustrated by AI taking over their jobs. AI chatbots now handle social engineering and generate convincing images, threatening the livelihoods of human fraudsters. Scheide explains how these scams operate like corporate businesses and shares a tip on using prompt injection to expose AI scammers.