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Nothing to Attain - Realizing the Stage of Person

Sep 27, 2026 · 28m

Summary

Matthew Ramsey explores the "stage of person" from Reb Anderson’s *Nothing to Attain*, distinguishing it from the "stage of faith" in Zen practice. He explains that while the stage of faith involves realizing the emptiness of objects, the stage of person requires expressing this awakening through everyday actions and compassionate engagement with others. Using the teaching story of Dao Wu and Chongxin, the talk illustrates how profound dharma is found in ordinary activities like sharing tea, emphasizing that true realization is not an object to be gained but a way of living in unfettered, r…

Topics discussed

Introduction and seminar format overview Experiential practice on letting go of gaining ideas Recap of the Parable of the Destitute Child The paradox of nothing to attain and great work Zen paradoxes and the concept of Big Mind Context: Stage of Faith vs Stage of Person Yongjue's teaching on the provisional and real Defining the Stage of Faith and its limitations Perfect Wisdom and the Heart Sutra connection The Stage of Person: descending to help all beings Realization as who we already are Teaching story: Chongxin and Master Daowu Essential mind in everyday acts of service Living in an unfettered way and mealtime verse Closing and donation appeal
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