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The Long Struggle Against Equality in America (w/ Kim Phillips-Fein)

Aug 24, 2026 · 1h 44m

Summary

Hosts Matt Sim and Sam Hebell interview historian Kim Phillips-Fein about her new book, *Country of Lords*. They explore the enduring American counter-tradition that opposes equality, tracing its evolution from the Founding Era through Social Darwinism and scientific racism. The discussion highlights how figures like John Adams, Andrew Carnegie, and Lothrop Stoddard justified hierarchy and inequality across different historical periods.

Topics discussed

Introduction and overview of Kim Phillips-Fein's book Historical context and consensus historians The American Revolution and early egalitarianism John Adams, hierarchy, and natural aristocracy Social Darwinism, Sumner, and Carnegie Scientific racism, eugenics, and Lothrop Stoddard Taylorism, Fordism, and corporate hierarchy Meritocracy, IQ testing, and Richard Herrnstein Milton Friedman and equality of opportunity Tech utopians, Musk, and Horowitz Technological determinism and concluding thoughts
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