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Jonathan Pageau & Jay Dyer: The Elites Are Doing Warfare on the Public

Aug 25, 2026 · 1h 18m

Summary

Jay Dyer joins Jonathan Pajot to discuss "predictive programming," arguing that Hollywood and intelligence agencies use media to psychologically condition the public for future geopolitical shifts. They analyze how narratives evolved from Cold War individualism to War on Terror themes, citing CIA involvement in films like *Alias* and *Zero Dark Thirty*. The conversation explores how pop culture normalizes concepts like AI surveillance and globalism, often portraying these technologies negatively initially to desensitize audiences before their real-world implementation.

Topics discussed

Introduction: CFR, military history, and total war Defining predictive programming and its sources WWII propaganda, Edward Bernays, and James Bond Individualism vs. order and sci-fi conditioning Product placement and the push for consumer order Blockbuster films and British intelligence origins Novels, Korda Circle, and Hollywood liaison offices Military recruitment and honey trap narratives Shifting narratives: Middle East terror and 9/11 Post-9/11 CIA influence on Mission Impossible The revolutionary trope and Cold War Americanism Red Dawn, rugged individualism, and Bond villains War on nationalism and the new external threat Synarchy, secret governance, and the Osama bin Laden shift Shifting enemies and the neutrality of predictive programming Bad apples narrative and Minority Report tech The Matrix, gender narratives, and state incentives Malthusian ideology and population reduction goals Reading elite strategy: Brzezinski, Kurzweil, and Huxley AI infrastructure, data centers, and environmental trade-offs AI inevitability, credit systems, and surveillance Economic risks of AI and the disconnect of elites Local action, independent politics, and closing remarks
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