Interesting Times with Ross Douthat Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Iran, China, Canada? A Defense of Trump’s Grand Strategy

Jul 23, 2026 · 1h 3m

Summary

Ross Douthat interviews Undersecretary of Defense Elbridge Colby, who defends the Trump administration’s “flexible realism” foreign policy. Colby argues that the U.S. is successfully pressuring allies to increase defense spending while pursuing a strategy of denial against China and degrading Iran’s military capabilities. He rejects claims of stalemate in the Middle East and emphasizes that European nations are now taking greater responsibility for their own security in the Ukraine conflict.

Topics discussed

Introduction and guest background Defining the Trump administration's grand strategy China policy, Taiwan, and the first island chain Military strategy and maritime warfare capabilities Ad break: NERTEK and OLLY Middle East strategy: Iran conflict and regional stability Ad break: Energy savings and Betterment Russia-Ukraine war and European defense burden sharing NATO 3.0 and European military industrial base Canada relations, Mark Carney, and the Monroe Doctrine Realism in foreign policy and alliance dynamics Conclusion and final ad break
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