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How increasing your happiness can help solve climate change (w/ Jiaying Zhao and Elizabeth Dunn)

Aug 17, 2026 · 41m

Summary

Behavioral scientists Elizabeth Dunn and Jay-Z discuss their book *Leave the Lights On*, arguing that climate action should focus on joy rather than sacrifice. They explain how making sustainable choices enjoyable, like biking or eating well, creates contagious social movements. The episode covers practical tips, such as switching banks to avoid fossil fuel investments and using carbon labels, to help individuals reduce emissions while increasing happiness.

Topics discussed

Sponsors: Toyota and ChatGPT Work The flossing analogy for annoying but effective habits Introducing Jay-Z and Elizabeth Dunn's book on joyful climate action Sponsors: Quince, Toyota, and ChatGPT for Business Guests introduce themselves and the intersection of happiness and climate Happiness as an engine for behavior change rather than guilt Individual vs. collective responsibility and the contagious effect of joy Sponsors: Olive & June and JBL Case study: Changing default anesthesia gas in hospitals Switching banks to avoid fossil fuel investments Avoiding moralization and the pitfalls of purity culture Carbon labeling in cafeterias and choosing the 'next best' option Debunking the idea that you shouldn't have kids due to climate change The impact of where you choose to live on your carbon footprint Creativity, toonie parties, and making EVs visible and fun Outro, listener survey, credits, and final sponsors
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