Historian Ambrosio Chiani discusses the Catholic Church’s complex relationships with Mussolini and Hitler, explaining how the Vatican sought political legitimacy through the 1929 Lateran Accords and the 1934 Reichskonkordat. Chiani challenges myths about Pius XII, arguing that while individual Catholics saved thousands of Jews, the Vatican maintained a stance of neutrality and indifference rather than active rescue or official collusion. The episode explores the Church’s diplomatic decline after WWI and its controversial moral position during the Holocaust.