Changing Our Mental Maps
Jul 13, 2026 · 1h 34m
Summary
Host Shankar Vedantam interviews psychologist Norman Farb about how the brain’s default mode network creates mental maps that can become rigid and inaccurate. Using his mother’s depression as a case study, Farb explains how over-reliance on internal narratives disconnects us from sensory reality, perpetuating suffering. The episode explores how updating these internal maps and reconnecting with present-moment sensations can help us navigate life’s unexpected changes more effectively.
Topics discussed
Introduction: The dangers of relying on mental maps
TikTok physics experiments and sponsor messages
Norm Farb on his mother's depression and rigid expectations
The brain's default mode network and internal maps
Neuroscience of depression: ignoring bodily signals
The 'second arrow' of suffering and mindfulness practice
Dave Evans on radical acceptance and design thinking
Listener stories on acceptance: career, relationships, and identity
Conclusion: Distinguishing problems from circumstances
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