The A.I. Trade Secrets War + Economists Say ‘We Must Act Now’ + HatGPT
Jul 17, 2026 · 1h 9m
Summary
Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton discuss Apple’s trade secret lawsuit against OpenAI, the competitive feud between OpenAI and Anthropic, and a new AI model release. They interview Stanford economist Eric Brynjolfsson about a letter warning of AI-driven job displacement and the need to steer technology toward complementing human workers. The episode also features a humorous segment on an ice cream scoop labeled with the chemical symbol for aluminum.
Topics discussed
Intro: The absurdity of smart ice cream scoops
Apple sues OpenAI over alleged trade secret theft
Anthropic vs. OpenAI: Marketing wars and model access
Sponsor: Anthropic's Claude for problem solvers
Economists warn of AI-driven job disruption with Eric Brynjolfsson
Sponsor: Serial Productions podcast
Sponsor: NYT subscription
News: ChatGPT World Cup bets and NY data center pause
Brown University professor's AI grading controversy
Minimax CEO vows to forego salary until AGI
Lorde criticizes Meta smart glasses and privacy concerns
Outro: Meta Instagram AI backlash and credits
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