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The A.I. Trade Secrets War + Economists Say ‘We Must Act Now’ + HatGPT

Jul 17, 2026 · 1h 9m

Summary

Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton discuss Apple’s trade secret lawsuit against OpenAI, the competitive feud between OpenAI and Anthropic, and a new AI model release. They interview Stanford economist Eric Brynjolfsson about a letter warning of AI-driven job displacement and the need to steer technology toward complementing human workers. The episode also features a humorous segment on an ice cream scoop labeled with the chemical symbol for aluminum.

Topics discussed

Intro: The absurdity of smart ice cream scoops Apple sues OpenAI over alleged trade secret theft Anthropic vs. OpenAI: Marketing wars and model access Sponsor: Anthropic's Claude for problem solvers Economists warn of AI-driven job disruption with Eric Brynjolfsson Sponsor: Serial Productions podcast Sponsor: NYT subscription News: ChatGPT World Cup bets and NY data center pause Brown University professor's AI grading controversy Minimax CEO vows to forego salary until AGI Lorde criticizes Meta smart glasses and privacy concerns Outro: Meta Instagram AI backlash and credits
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