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Why No One Can Look Away From Elizabeth Holmes

Oct 16, 2026 · 1h 7m

Summary

Host Max Reed joins investigative reporter John Carreyrou, editor Caitlin Roper, and tech writer Aaron Griffith to discuss the new documentary "Elizabeth Holmes." They analyze the film’s portrayal of her final days with partner Billy Evans, comparing it to their firsthand experiences covering her rise, fall, and trial. The group explores why Holmes remains a cultural obsession, debating the role of gender in her media treatment and the parallels between her fraud and broader Silicon Valley hype.

Topics discussed

Sponsor: Dell Technologies Intro: The new Elizabeth Holmes documentary Introducing the three journalists Caitlin Roper's first interview with Holmes John Carreyrou's investigation into Theranos Billy Evans' father at the trial Reactions to the documentary trailer Analyzing Holmes' portrayal in the film Gender, costume, and public perception The photography studio scene and empathy Holmes' manipulation and media strategy Why Holmes remains a cultural obsession Sponsors: Dell, Ramp, and IREN The role of gender in her rise and fall Who is stoking the continued interest? Relationships with Sunny Balwani and Billy Evans Theranos 2.0 and Silicon Valley ethics Personal reactions to watching the film Sponsors: Dell, Ramp, and Ripple The alleged OpenAI spy arrest Character AI bankruptcy and acquihires Apple's new home screen device AI researchers smoking as a signal Outro and credits Sponsor: Con Edison
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