Why No One Can Look Away From Elizabeth Holmes
Oct 16, 2026 · 1h 7m
Summary
Host Max Reed joins investigative reporter John Carreyrou, editor Caitlin Roper, and tech writer Aaron Griffith to discuss the new documentary "Elizabeth Holmes." They analyze the film’s portrayal of her final days with partner Billy Evans, comparing it to their firsthand experiences covering her rise, fall, and trial. The group explores why Holmes remains a cultural obsession, debating the role of gender in her media treatment and the parallels between her fraud and broader Silicon Valley hype.
Topics discussed
Sponsor: Dell Technologies
Intro: The new Elizabeth Holmes documentary
Introducing the three journalists
Caitlin Roper's first interview with Holmes
John Carreyrou's investigation into Theranos
Billy Evans' father at the trial
Reactions to the documentary trailer
Analyzing Holmes' portrayal in the film
Gender, costume, and public perception
The photography studio scene and empathy
Holmes' manipulation and media strategy
Why Holmes remains a cultural obsession
Sponsors: Dell, Ramp, and IREN
The role of gender in her rise and fall
Who is stoking the continued interest?
Relationships with Sunny Balwani and Billy Evans
Theranos 2.0 and Silicon Valley ethics
Personal reactions to watching the film
Sponsors: Dell, Ramp, and Ripple
The alleged OpenAI spy arrest
Character AI bankruptcy and acquihires
Apple's new home screen device
AI researchers smoking as a signal
Outro and credits
Sponsor: Con Edison
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