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After losing her sons, Yiyun Li learned to ‘suffer better’

Oct 13, 2026 · 43m

Summary

Pulitzer Prize-winning author E. Yun Lee discusses her new novel, *Music Against the Night*, which explores the lives of two 19th-century music prodigies. She reflects on the deaths of her two sons by suicide, her own past suicidal attempts, and how writing and piano practice help her navigate grief. Lee also shares insights from her childhood in China, including her year in the military and her mother’s abusive influence, emphasizing the importance of staying engaged with the world despite profound sadness.

Topics discussed

Introduction to Eileen Myles and her new novel Why she wrote a historical novel after her sons' deaths The prevalence of death in the late 18th century Historical figures: John Field and Adelaide Choosing music over words to express grief Learning piano to mark time and endure Recalling her sons' prodigious intelligence Raising her sons as 'free-range chickens' The contrasting personalities of her two sons Growing up in China and her abusive mother How her sons' deaths changed the novel's writing Her own history of depression and suicide attempts Respecting her sons' decisions to end their lives Inappropriate reactions from strangers and friends Answering her son's question about suffering Advice for those contemplating suicide: patience Growing up in China and serving in the military Finding joy and distinguishing sadness from unhappiness
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