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How scientists are fighting the Trump administration’s attempts to silence them

Aug 19, 2026 · 1h 8m

Summary

Host Matthew Sheffield interviews former NIH employees Alexa Romberg and Sylvia Cho about the Trump administration’s attacks on scientific integrity. They discuss the "Bethesda Declaration," a protest against policies led by NIH Director Jay Bhattacharya and HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. that censor research and ignore evidence. The guests highlight the moral injury caused by these actions and argue that scientists must actively defend truth and diversity in public health.

Topics discussed

Intro: Trump's war on science and guest introductions Guest backgrounds: Sylvia and Alexa's careers at NIH The Bethesda Declaration and building community Jay Bhattacharya's background and NIH policy changes Sowing doubt, wellness industry, and the psychology of fascism Tobacco control, health disparities, and historical exclusion Engineered controversies and Greek concepts of excellence Ethics of grant termination and the need for scientific courage Privilege, diversity in science, and institutional compliance Actionable advice for scientists and closing thoughts
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