How to survive a flop
Summary
Host Jory Hill explores the cultural phenomenon of the "flop" with guests Spencer Kornhaber and Tom Bryan, analyzing how shifting metrics and social media amplify celebrity failures. They discuss high-profile cases like Lizzo and Katy Perry, examining why modern audiences feel personal empathy for these downfalls. The episode also features Dan Wilson, who reflects on his hit "Closing Time" and his successful pivot to writing for other artists after stepping back from touring.
Topics discussed
Sponsors: Fetch Pet Insurance and Starbucks Fall Menu
Introduction: The 'Flop Era' of Lizzo and Katy Perry
Defining a Flop: Ambition vs. Reality and Historical Context
The Changing Machinery of Popularity and Streaming Metrics
Celebrity Empathy, Redemption Arcs, and Avoiding Flops
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Why Songs Flop: Expectations, Timing, and Virality
Case Studies: Katy Perry's Decline and Critically Hated Hits
Artist Responses: Moving Behind the Scenes
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Interview: Dan Wilson on 'Closing Time' and Songwriting
Dan Wilson's Career Pivot and Finding Joy in Creation
Outro, Credits, and Final Ad Reads
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