Jill Lepore on the ‘Artificial State’ and why Silicon Valley's leaders are bad sci-fi readers
Aug 7, 2026 · 28m
Summary
Anthony Ha interviews historian Jill Lepore about her new book, *The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State*. Lepore argues that big tech corporations are usurping democratic functions, a trend she traces through political history and science fiction. She critiques the technocratic belief that technological change equals progress, suggesting this "artificial state" is ultimately doomed because it destroys the natural world.
Topics discussed
Introduction: Jill Lepore and The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State
Defining the Artificial State: Corporations replacing government functions
Historical paths not taken: From the 1984 Mac ad to modern tech governance
Sponsor Message: SRS Aquium
The Twitter Revolution: How social media distorted democratic representation
Science Fiction as Warning: E.M. Forster's The Machine Stops
Tech CEOs as Bad Sci-Fi Readers: Misinterpreting dystopian warnings
Why the Artificial State is Doomed: Conflict with the natural world
Local Resistance: Data centers and the crisis of local journalism
Critique of Disruptive Innovation: History vs. Tech Theory
Conclusion: Book release and final thoughts
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