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Jill Lepore on the ‘Artificial State’ and why Silicon Valley's leaders are bad sci-fi readers

Aug 7, 2026 · 28m

Summary

Anthony Ha interviews historian Jill Lepore about her new book, *The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State*. Lepore argues that big tech corporations are usurping democratic functions, a trend she traces through political history and science fiction. She critiques the technocratic belief that technological change equals progress, suggesting this "artificial state" is ultimately doomed because it destroys the natural world.

Topics discussed

Introduction: Jill Lepore and The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State Defining the Artificial State: Corporations replacing government functions Historical paths not taken: From the 1984 Mac ad to modern tech governance Sponsor Message: SRS Aquium The Twitter Revolution: How social media distorted democratic representation Science Fiction as Warning: E.M. Forster's The Machine Stops Tech CEOs as Bad Sci-Fi Readers: Misinterpreting dystopian warnings Why the Artificial State is Doomed: Conflict with the natural world Local Resistance: Data centers and the crisis of local journalism Critique of Disruptive Innovation: History vs. Tech Theory Conclusion: Book release and final thoughts
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