S03E03 - The slippery slope of managerial & cultural incentives in engineering teams!
Summary
Hosts discuss how engineering managers often inadvertently reward the wrong behaviors, such as prioritizing crisis response over stability. They explore the gap between stated values and actual incentives, sharing stories about startup outages and blameless cultures. The episode emphasizes aligning organizational priorities to encourage innovation without sacrificing reliability.
Topics discussed
Introduction: The article 'People Can Read Their Manager's Mind'
Story: Error budgets and the cost of preventing outages
Panel discussion: Thriving in chaos vs. avoiding attention
Aligning stated values with actual rewards and incentives
The danger of rewarding 'hero' behavior and burnout
Story: Blameless culture and the Sam Walton anecdote
Story: Database outage and the importance of blameless post-mortems
Contradictory incentives: Innovation vs. Stability in large orgs
Incentivizing different engineer types: Bonus vs. Craft
Structuring teams and identifying underperformers early
Transparency in decision-making and priority setting
The FedEx story: How pay structure changes behavior
Evolution of incentives: From 'Move Fast' to SLOs
The Phoenix Project: The 'Brent' hero anti-pattern
Conclusion: Examining personal incentives and career stages
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