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Talking Dateline: The Grudge

Sep 9, 2026 · 30m

Summary

This episode of Talking Dateline discusses the 2020 murder of Judge Salas’s son, Daniel, and the shooting of her husband, Mark, by Roy Den Hollander, a disgruntled man’s rights activist. Hosts Blaine and Andrea explore the tragedy, Hollander’s background, and the couple’s resilience, noting how the loss strengthened their bond. The conversation highlights Judge Salas’s decision to forgive her son’s killer and her subsequent advocacy for judicial security and the creation of "Danny’s Pantry" food banks. The hosts also share a poignant clip from a follow-up interview where the judge reflects …

Topics discussed

Sponsorships: SNHU and Capital One Introduction to 'The Grudge' episode Recap of the shooting and victim details Analyzing the motive and men's rights context Judge Salas's background and composure Forgiveness and the concept of a miracle child Balancing career and motherhood Judge Salas presiding over Housewives case Investigation leads and husband's status Sponsorships: Mazda, Mint Mobile, Granger Impact on legal community and hit list discovery Profile of Roy Dan Hollander and men's rights group Hollander's media presence and mental state Discussion on justice and suicide before trial Personal bond between interviewer and judge Judge Salas's advocacy and Danny's Pantry Clip: Reflections on parenting and grief Sponsorships: Perigold, SimpliSafe, Progressive Viewer Q&A: Security cameras and safety Viewer Q&A: Praise for Judge Salas Outro and podcast promotions
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