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#440 - "I Know the Scientist" Plague Expert on What's REALLY Happening in Russia | Wendy Orent

Oct 16, 2026 · 2h 18m

Summary

Wendy Nordlinger discusses the history and dangers of plague with Danny Jones, recounting her friendship with Soviet bioweapons expert Igor Domorodsky. They explore how the Soviet Union weaponized Yersinia pestis, noting that while the bacterium is already highly virulent, engineers focused on making it antibiotic-resistant rather than increasing its lethality. Nordlinger explains that humans are dead-end hosts, meaning plague cannot sustain itself in human populations without reservoir animals like marmots. The conversation also covers the lack of effective vaccines, the secrecy surroundin…

Topics discussed

Introduction and the Siberian plague outbreak Soviet bioweapons program and smallpox eradication Why the host studied plague and meeting the scientist Developing antibiotic-resistant plague and lab conflicts Scientific rivalry: Darwinian vs. Lysenkoist views Plague strains, virulence, and the Black Death origin Septicemic plague symptoms and immune suppression Biblical references to plague and buboes Sponsor: Quo business phone system Marmots as reservoirs and human dead-end hosts Plague transmission in America via prairie dogs Outbreaks in China and Mongolia from raw marmot Person-to-person transmission and pneumonic plague Historical outbreak in a desert community Cholera in Russia and scientist's family life Igor's reputation and scientific legacy Mortality rates of septicemic and pneumonic plague Sponsor: Body sculpting LED device Transmissibility of Black Death strains Neurotropism and lung shedding in plague strains First meeting with the Russian scientist Description of the scientist and his wife Closed military labs and the Anti-Plague Institute Euphoric symptoms and diagnostic confusion Debunking chimeric plague rumors Lack of effective plague vaccine and strategic weapons Biological Weapons Convention and Israel's status Biopreparate and civilian preventative programs Limitations of weaponizing pathogens Lack of inspection bodies for bio-weapons Genetic modification risks and natural selection Integration into genome and competitive disadvantage Media hype vs. scientific reality of chimeric plague Analysis of the Russian woman's death Russian denial of plague and diagnostic clues Sponsor: Liver support supplement Standard Russian behavior and lab leak history The smallpox lab leak and Janet Parker's death Plague lab leak in Chicago Confirmation of the Chicago plague case Igor's belief in the continued bioweapons system Lack of evidence for bioweapons program Trust in Russian sources vs. US government Tom Patrick and non-government sources CDC Fort Collins and handling plague vials Retired scientists and decline in basic research The Athenian plague and Pericles Thucydides and the recurrence of plague in Athens Skepticism of Spartan poisoning claims Lack of evidence for catapulting plague corpses Historical sources for the siege of Kaffa Verifying the catapult account with RoboSteve Alternative historical accounts of the plague Timeline of the Black Death in Asia and Europe Duration and devastation of the Black Death Septicemic transmission and flea bites Pneumonic transmission and speed of Black Death Quarantine practices during the Black Death Manchurian plague outbreaks and historical photos Handling weaponized pathogens and their weaknesses Village strategies to avoid plague infection Polio transmission and asymptomatic cases Survivors of polio and long-term effects Early polio vaccine research and tragedies Salk vaccine rollout and paralysis cases Cutter incident and mild polio cases Sabin vaccine limitations and reversion Bernice Eddy and the Cutter incident SV40 virus and its distinction from polio SV40 contamination in viral vaccines HIV origin theories and monkey cell cultures Debunking the HIV-polio connection Impact of polio eradication on society Scientific consensus on SV40 harmlessness Personal views on SV40 and plague Political bias in vaccine discussions Progress in polio eradication Pharmaceutical lawsuits and opioid epidemic Immunotherapy and compassionate use cases Laws regarding HIV transmission and disclosure HIV transmission rates and sexual orientation HIV test accuracy and false positives Advances in medicine over the last century Rabies symptoms and treatment limitations Comparison of pathogens to science fiction aliens Urinary tract infections and cognitive effects Pathogen strain variation and transmission likelihood Conclusion and book promotion
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