Coleman speaks with political scientist Richard Hanania about his new book, *Cacistocracy*, which critiques right-wing populism as "rule by the worst." Hanania discusses his evolution from alt-right extremism to a defender of institutional expertise, arguing that elites generally outperform populist leaders. The conversation covers the definition of populism, the value of trusting experts despite occasional errors, and Hanania’s views on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
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