Simon Sebag Montefiore: How the Modern Middle East Was Made
Aug 25, 2026 · 1h 11m
Summary
Host Thomas Small interviews historian Simon Sebag Montefiore about his book, *The Cauldron*, which challenges the narrative that Western powers solely shaped the modern Middle East. Montefiore argues that local rulers, revolutionaries, and clerics actively tore apart imperial maps, often with unintended violent consequences. The discussion covers the rise of nationalism, the failure of charismatic republics like Egypt’s under Nasser, and the relative stability of monarchies. They also explore missed opportunities for peace and the tragic homogenization of the region.
Topics discussed
Introduction and Whole Foods Market sponsorship
Welcome Simon Sebag Montefiore and book overview
Lawrence of Arabia accuracy and British imperial policy
The Arab Revolt and Hashemite ambitions
Creation of Turkey and the Treaty of Lausanne
Shift from pluralistic Ottoman Empire to nationalism
Gamal Abdel Nasser's rise, charisma, and 1967 war
Anwar Sadat's peace process with Israel
Early anti-colonial movements and missed peace opportunities
Sykes-Picot myths and success of monarchies
The Shah of Iran and US foreign policy errors
Modern conflicts, militias, and US withdrawal
Conclusion: Cultural richness of the Middle East
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