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Simon Sebag Montefiore: How the Modern Middle East Was Made

Aug 25, 2026 · 1h 11m

Summary

Host Thomas Small interviews historian Simon Sebag Montefiore about his book, *The Cauldron*, which challenges the narrative that Western powers solely shaped the modern Middle East. Montefiore argues that local rulers, revolutionaries, and clerics actively tore apart imperial maps, often with unintended violent consequences. The discussion covers the rise of nationalism, the failure of charismatic republics like Egypt’s under Nasser, and the relative stability of monarchies. They also explore missed opportunities for peace and the tragic homogenization of the region.

Topics discussed

Introduction and Whole Foods Market sponsorship Welcome Simon Sebag Montefiore and book overview Lawrence of Arabia accuracy and British imperial policy The Arab Revolt and Hashemite ambitions Creation of Turkey and the Treaty of Lausanne Shift from pluralistic Ottoman Empire to nationalism Gamal Abdel Nasser's rise, charisma, and 1967 war Anwar Sadat's peace process with Israel Early anti-colonial movements and missed peace opportunities Sykes-Picot myths and success of monarchies The Shah of Iran and US foreign policy errors Modern conflicts, militias, and US withdrawal Conclusion: Cultural richness of the Middle East
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