Code Switch Code Switch

Why we’re all being watched

Sep 11, 2026 · 36m

Summary

Code Switch explores the expanding surveillance state driven by private companies like Flock and Axon, which sell AI-powered license plate readers to police departments. Hosts B.A. Parker and Gene Demby discuss how this technology inverts legal protections by collecting data on everyone before identifying suspects, raising serious Fourth Amendment concerns. They examine the role of police foundations and grant writing in funding this tech, as well as the growing bipartisan backlash against mass surveillance. The episode also highlights how consumer devices like Ring cameras are increasingly…

Topics discussed

Intro: Gene Demby and the feeling of being watched Flock cameras, vandalism, and the privacy debate Interview with Matthew Griglia: The spectrum of surveillance Sponsor breaks and NPR podcast promotions Defining the surveillance state and racial bias in data Legitimate uses vs. the reality of constant data collection Geolocation data, warrants, and AI route inference Political backlash: DeSantis, Abbott, and class dynamics Flock, Axon, and the connection to ICE enforcement The money trail: Police foundations and tech sales Why the surveillance industry doesn't need to prove it works Post-9/11 context: National security and policing fusion Predictive policing and the Minority Report fallacy Sponsor breaks and NPR podcast promotions Historical roots: Colonialism, fingerprinting, and mugshots Smart home devices: Ring cameras and neighbor surveillance The current backlash: Distrust of tech and loss of agency Outro, credits, and final sponsor spots
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