Matt Kaplan: They were right after all
Jul 21, 2026 · 36m
Summary
Alan Alda interviews Matt Kaplan about his book on scientists ridiculed for groundbreaking ideas. They discuss Katalin Karikó’s mRNA struggles, Galileo’s allies, Darwin’s caution, and Pasteur’s ethical lapses. The conversation highlights how scientific communities often reject novel concepts due to specialization and dogma. Kaplan argues for better communication and tolerance to prevent dismissing valid, unconventional research.
Topics discussed
Intro ads for Stuart Fails and Kia Carnival
Introduction of Matt Kaplan and his book on ridiculed scientists
Katalin Kariko's struggle and eventual Nobel Prize for mRNA vaccines
Galileo's political maneuvering to avoid the Inquisition
Darwin's reliance on allies like Huxley and Hooker
Louis Pasteur's unethical tactics and scientific fraud
Ignaz Semmelweis and the discovery of handwashing
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The problem of hyper-specialization in modern science
Seven quick questions with Matt Kaplan
Outro, credits, and preview of next episode
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