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Matt Kaplan: They were right after all

Jul 21, 2026 · 36m

Summary

Alan Alda interviews Matt Kaplan about his book on scientists ridiculed for groundbreaking ideas. They discuss Katalin Karikó’s mRNA struggles, Galileo’s allies, Darwin’s caution, and Pasteur’s ethical lapses. The conversation highlights how scientific communities often reject novel concepts due to specialization and dogma. Kaplan argues for better communication and tolerance to prevent dismissing valid, unconventional research.

Topics discussed

Intro ads for Stuart Fails and Kia Carnival Introduction of Matt Kaplan and his book on ridiculed scientists Katalin Kariko's struggle and eventual Nobel Prize for mRNA vaccines Galileo's political maneuvering to avoid the Inquisition Darwin's reliance on allies like Huxley and Hooker Louis Pasteur's unethical tactics and scientific fraud Ignaz Semmelweis and the discovery of handwashing Break and sponsor messages The problem of hyper-specialization in modern science Seven quick questions with Matt Kaplan Outro, credits, and preview of next episode
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