Susanna Hoffs
Oct 13, 2026 · 43m
Summary
Susanna Hoffs discusses her new album *The List*, which explores themes of loneliness and life transitions through personal stories shared during writing sessions. She reflects on her novel, a memorable encounter with Bob Weir, and the creative process of turning her book into a musical with Edie Brickell. The episode also highlights collaborations with Rufus Wainwright and the influence of classic songwriting on her new work.
Topics discussed
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Welcome and introduction of Susanna Hoffs
The 'list' of ex-partners and its origin
The Beatles influence on The Bangles
Discussion on the song 'None of Them Were You'
Themes of loneliness and human nature
Writing novels vs. song lyrics
Incorporating Prince and personal stories into the book
Returning to songwriting after writing a book
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Songwriting sessions and Sue's life perspective
Recording in Sue's home and personal stories
Melody writing and childhood influences
The singular focus of listening to music
Writing songs to be memorable and folk song roots
Advice on hooks and the aim of the album
The process of creating the album
Duet with Jay's movie and The Turtles
The song 'Better With You' and loneliness
Vocal dynamics and previous collaborations
Country music influences and vocal ranges
Researching song titles and themes
Acceptance of life's imperfections
Psychoanalytical approach to songwriting
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Ghosts in the record and Casablanca
The Bob Weir story and Casablanca connection
Meeting the Grateful Dead in New Orleans
Invitation to sing with the Grateful Dead
Performing with the Grateful Dead
Bob Weir's favorite story
Casablanca tie-in and separate paths
The song 'This Island' and loneliness
Feeling alone in a relationship
Empty nest and melancholy
Kids growing up and the empty house
Dissonance in music and life
Statistic on time spent with children
Daughter dating sons and the song 'Girl'
Writing a Burt Bacharach style song
The song 'What Are Wings For'
Turning the book into a musical
Edie Brickell's songwriting process
Plan for the musical adaptation
Redemption arc in the musical
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