Ishan Tharoor discusses the recent Trump-Xi summit, noting that despite Trump’s deferential posture, tangible results like an AI safety dialogue or extended trade truce remain elusive. Tharoor highlights China’s leverage over critical mineral supply chains and argues that both leaders share an illiberal worldview that undermines traditional alliances. The conversation also covers declining US global popularity relative to China’s growing soft power and the continued, albeit diminished, relevance of the United Nations in global governance.