John Hodgman interviews DNC Chair Ken Martin about the party’s refusal to release its full 2024 election autopsy, with Martin arguing that sharing lessons via a playbook is more effective than publishing a report that invites blame. They debate the DNC’s financial health, including its debt and record fundraising, as well as strategic investments in state infrastructure and territories. Martin defends his long-term strategy against critics who prioritize immediate federal races, asserting that building permanent power is essential for future victories.