Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Ray Madoff (on how billionaires avoid taxes & threaten capitalism)

Sep 2, 2026 · 2h 26m

Summary

Dax Shepard and Monica Padman interview tax law professor Ray Madoff about her book, The Second Estate. Madoff explains how the US tax code created an aristocracy by exempting inherited wealth and investment gains from income tax. She details the history of the estate tax, its politicization as the "death tax," and how loopholes allow billionaires to avoid paying their share.

Topics discussed

Introduction and host banter Sponsors: Quince, Founda, and intro to guest Ray Madoff Ray Madoff's background, name origin, and family history Ray's ADHD, law school experience, and love for corporate tax The concept of the 'Second Estate' and historical wealth accumulation The rise of income tax, estate tax, and threats to capitalism Loopholes in the tax code and the 'death tax' rebranding campaign Estate tax exemptions, billionaire tax rates, and payroll taxes How billionaires borrow against stock to avoid selling and paying taxes Government revenue, stock buybacks, and the 1982 market shift Step-up in basis, unrealized gains, and California wealth tax debates Capitalism's lack of competition and mechanisms to tax billionaires Personal stories: 70s fashion, back-to-school shopping, and leggings AI opinions, inheritance planning, and estate distribution ethics Wills, trusts, life insurance, and feelings of parental favoritism Gender-neutral names, school experiences, and California GDP
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