Ray Madoff (on how billionaires avoid taxes & threaten capitalism)
Sep 2, 2026 · 2h 26m
Summary
Dax Shepard and Monica Padman interview tax law professor Ray Madoff about her book, The Second Estate. Madoff explains how the US tax code created an aristocracy by exempting inherited wealth and investment gains from income tax. She details the history of the estate tax, its politicization as the "death tax," and how loopholes allow billionaires to avoid paying their share.
Topics discussed
Introduction and host banter
Sponsors: Quince, Founda, and intro to guest Ray Madoff
Ray Madoff's background, name origin, and family history
Ray's ADHD, law school experience, and love for corporate tax
The concept of the 'Second Estate' and historical wealth accumulation
The rise of income tax, estate tax, and threats to capitalism
Loopholes in the tax code and the 'death tax' rebranding campaign
Estate tax exemptions, billionaire tax rates, and payroll taxes
How billionaires borrow against stock to avoid selling and paying taxes
Government revenue, stock buybacks, and the 1982 market shift
Step-up in basis, unrealized gains, and California wealth tax debates
Capitalism's lack of competition and mechanisms to tax billionaires
Personal stories: 70s fashion, back-to-school shopping, and leggings
AI opinions, inheritance planning, and estate distribution ethics
Wills, trusts, life insurance, and feelings of parental favoritism
Gender-neutral names, school experiences, and California GDP
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