Against the Rules with Michael Lewis Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Live with Nicolle Wallace

Dec 16, 2025 · 43m

Summary

In this live episode recorded at Symphony Space, Michael Lewis discusses *The Big Short* with interviewer Nicole Wallace, joined by real-life characters Danny Moses, Vincent Daniel, and Porter Collins. Lewis explains his immersive reporting process, the book’s narrative logic, and the enduring relevance of the financial crisis. The conversation also features a dramatic reading by actor Zach Grenier and touches on Lewis’s new audiobook and upcoming work.

Topics discussed

Sponsors: Grainger, Paramount+, UPS Store Intro: Live interview with Nicole Wallace at Symphony Space Reliving the story and the return of audio rights The relevance of the financial crisis today Reading from The Big Short: The collapse of Lehman Brothers Audience reaction and preview of Business History podcast Sponsors: Apple Card and Vital Proteins Sponsor: Hotels.com with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang The logic of the book: Finding the right side of the bet Political consequences and the erosion of trust in government The importance of human characters and the movie adaptation Michael Lewis's personal journey and guilt over Wall Street Sponsors: Vital Proteins, Hotels.com, and Dupixent Interviewing techniques and Michael Lewis's colonoscopy story Outro, credits, and preview of Business History episode
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